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When I received my first briefing in this talk, I solved the topic of ufology in the future.

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I find that rather difficult to envisage.

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But I think the best thing we can do, first of all, is to take a long and searching look and a calm one at past and present ufology.

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Start off by telling you a case which I feel very few of you, if any, know.

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It was just about six o'clock on an evening when the sun was setting and the people were leaving the offices in the city.

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All pouring out onto the main street, a very busy and crowded place,

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and a group of officials and pan-man, aircrew or airfronts were standing out from the patients out there to office.

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Suddenly, someone went down a night, a very bright green night, which at first was thought to be a star,

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and they looked, it was drawn too bright as well.

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And this night, to their horror, they saw, was coming straight down towards the city,

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towards the south-eastern corner of the city, where on a horseshoe ring of hills,

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which swept round the southern part of the city, was stationed at a palace.

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It was the old Queen's Palace.

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And in a few seconds, they suddenly thought, oh my goodness, this is going to hit this building.

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But to their infinite relief, at the last few split seconds, it swept aside and disappeared behind the horseshoe hill.

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A few seconds later, there it was again appearing, zooming up on the far side of the horseshoe hill,

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over another palatial building, the Government Palace.

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And again, there was a near miss.

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And it arose high into the air, swept down, straight towards the center of the city.

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Now by this time, several hundreds, maybe thousands of people, were on the pavement, a garth, gaping at the start.

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And as this thing headed down towards the old marketplace, it again straightened out its passage and came straight across the city,

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parallel to the main summer palace, which is known as the Rue de la Liberation.

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And as it went by, the Air France officers, were indebted to the head of the Air France office for the stories,

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saw that the green light was a lenticular shape, glowing thing.

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And it was estimated that it was about 40 meters in front of yet another object, a non-syllindrical shape.

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And that again, this cylindrical shape was about the length of the body of a constellation airliner.

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And again, behind this cylindrical shape, at again a distance of about 40 meters,

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there was a long trail of night sunsets sparks, something like this.

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And this queer object, or series of objects,

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hurled along the length of the Rue de la Liberation, out towards the station at the northern part of the city,

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where it was last seen swinging round to the left by the people in front of the Air France office.

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Later they heard that it did a abrupt turn towards the southeast,

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over the zoo where animals went into a terrible state of uproar, and then off into the open country.

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Well, the vast amount of speculation of what this thing, which was first thought to be a meteorite, was, as you can well imagine.

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And the Air France officer and his colleagues were in touch with other friends of theirs,

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in a row at which, at about a distance of a couple of hundred meters, runs parallel with the main paraphera, the Rue de la Liberation.

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And they had been looking to the east when they saw this strange apparition,

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whereas the Air France officer had been looking towards the west.

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So you see that this thing, at an estimated altitude of about 200 meters,

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was less than a hundred meters from the original observers when it went past them.

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Well, this attracted an awful lot of attention because as it approached the marketplace

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and began to go over the main part of the city, all the nights went out.

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And it is estimated that somewhere in the neighborhood of 20,000 people saw the passage of this object.

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It couldn't have come at the busiest time of the day.

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There is a priest astronomer in this city, Father Cove,

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who interviewed personally more than 5,000 witnesses and took their accounts.

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This is a mammoth thought.

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And yet, I suspect that in this hall here, people who are very interested in this subject

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who have devoted the part of their time to reading about this and studying it,

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there is only a bare hand for the people who know about this case.

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And I suspect that those people who know about this case only know because I told them.

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There was another talk somewhere or the other.

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Now, why is this though?

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This has never been revealed to the outside, big bad world.

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And you've had many years ago.

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Well, I think it's a very long story and it covers the whole of this UFO business.

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The modern story, the modern epic, some say it began with the Foo Fighters during the war.

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Others preferred to say, well, possibly with the Ghost Rockets scaring the Sweden,

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which was a very real and very large flat, I believe.

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But the publicity for this subject started as we all know in 1947.

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In June, to be precise. We've had this rammed home very well and truly this year.

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We have an interesting case actually.

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In June, I think it was the 21st of June, 47, which some of you may have read about recently in very short and formal review,

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over Norrie Islands, where the number of distance in the shape of the circle

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were witnessed by some people in a fishing boat with one of the centre of this ring,

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which appeared to be in some kind of district of it.

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It was underlating, sweeping up and down this flight.

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They were supposed the witnesses allaged that they saw smoke and finally, as it was right overhead,

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something dropped out of the concoaled dock in the boat.

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Well, the Americans have had attached to the airport a project,

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which for many years has now been known as Project Blue Book.

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And the first officer in charge of this project was a Captain Ruppelt.

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And he described this Morrie Islands thing as a sadistic folks, presumably, because the dog was killed.

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And yes, this case came before there was any startling, sensational publicity for the story.

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The fly's also a story.

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In fact, the publicity started three days later, on 24th of June 1947.

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I won't go into that particular case, we've heard enough about it recently,

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and those people have followed it up in their own certain fashion.

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But we do know that the witness there, the prime witness, Kenneth Arwell,

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described the things he saw, or at least their emotions,

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as being like, falsehood, skipping over water, or being skipped over water.

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Well, when you think of it, this is a ludicrous description,

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but he merely used it to give some idea of what it looked like to him.

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Unfortunately, an enterprising journalist who wanted a nice, quick story,

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heard this description, and for better or worse, were numbered with the name Flying Sources.

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When you think about it, really, the name is almost as silly as calling these things without any proof whatsoever, spaceships.

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There's not a shred of evidence anywhere that I can see,

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except perhaps in the most way-out, controversial, contactee claims,

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that these things are indeed extraterrestrial spaces.

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Many people like to think they are.

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We cannot discard this theory, but please remember, there's no evidence of this.

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So, spaceships will quickly invoke as a result of this claim by Kenneth Arwell.

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Long before we began to hear the contactees, this thing happened.

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The interpretation has stopped, as has ever since.

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Now, this silliness, this Flying Sources silliness, led immediately to a lot of hopes.

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There were many publicity seekers on the scene, and it was even new for commercial advertising.

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In the most nearing fashion, I have seen many of these adverts.

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In fact, as a result of all this, this brand new little subject, this brand new little topic, very interesting,

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especially after The Ghost Rockets, if you remember them, became a musical joke.

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And this was a tragedy.

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Perhaps there is no solid captive evidence of any of these alleged craft or objects.

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We have to rely on data for scientific study.

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If we attempt to do a scientific study of this thing, we will not have lots of data, so that it can be assessed.

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And nowadays, when the machine age is upon us, it can be put into these computers.

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Well, vast quantities of data have been missed.

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Precisely, the physical musical atmosphere which surrounded the thing.

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Scientists, and who complained them, immediately became very shy.

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There was no official or no university-backed study of the result.

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And many years have wasted.

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It was left to just a few, I might say very brave amateurs,

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those foolhardies, you can look at it that way, to collect what data they could.

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Meanwhile, the Hoaxes and the lunatic fringe collected the publicity.

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And scientists were frightened even farther away.

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In those early days, news media climbed in quickly for sensational stories and quickly burned their fingers.

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And the result of this was that there was a frivolous attitude thereafter in the press.

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But despite all this, the reports persisted.

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They kept coming in.

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And they kept coming in from people in all professions,

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from all walks of life, from doctors and from scientists, from farm laborers, and from airmen.

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There were many reports from airmen in the early days.

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There were many reports then, which we have nothing about now.

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In all, the quality of the witnesses was pretty good.

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Well, in 1952, we've had a lot of cases in 47 and 48.

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A lot of ones turned there after that.

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But in 1952, things reached a very great peak.

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And there were many cases where radar confirmed the presence of strange things.

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The result of all this was that there's a very serious strain on the intelligence wire services in the United States.

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Now, at the moment, I'm concentrating on the United States.

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Very obvious reason as you will see, because the United States is a big one.

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They're the big power and other people following their from their way.

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Now, the intelligence wire services were seriously bombed by a great clutter of UFO reports in 1952 and early 1953.

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There's something that had to be done about it.

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The reason why something had to be done about it, for those who, memories don't go back that far,

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was that there was a very bitter and nasty war being fought at the time in Korea.

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So, something had to be done.

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And it was done in January 1953.

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The United States Air Force set up a small committee for members under a man named Robert Smith who was now passed on.

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They studied, I think it was 20 cases, 20 or 24 cases only, and they spent four days on this study.

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So that at the end of these four days, they pontificated.

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They stated that no danger was posed by these objects that were being reported, no danger to the security of the United States.

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They also asserted that they were not artifacts of a hostile form of power.

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And they added a third recommendation that the public should be educated in the observation of natural phenomena.

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In just 1953, there were no satellites on those days.

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Well, the CIA was behind the stepping up of this committee, the Central Intelligence Agency.

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And when they saw the report, they decided that it wasn't good enough.

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And they wrote in a fourth recommendation.

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And this was a secret clause.

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It went only to the Air Force commanders and other military people.

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And this clause was, in many words, that on every opportunity, flying saucer reports were to be debunked.

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This was a very good reason.

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As I told you, they wanted to get the intelligence wires clear of this enormous clutter of reports.

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There were something like 1,500, I believe, in the United States during 1952 alone.

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When you're trying to get on with a war, it's rather difficult to absorb all this stuff as well.

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They wanted to get these tarsensings shut under the carpet.

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Well, the press were heartily discouraged and the clamps went on.

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Now, for new years, we always thought, when we were discussing this in private,

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the previous editor of the review and myself, that the clamps went on in 1954,

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or what we've now discovered, of course, that they went on a year before.

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Blue Book, the Project Blue Book, always continued carefully to debunk these things at every opportunity.

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They left just a little residue, I suppose, where even they couldn't afford to blush too much.

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Of about 2.5% of cases which they insisted were unidentified.

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When I spoke to Dr. Heineck a year or two ago, he told me how horrified he was.

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Now, he was the United States Air Force civilian scientific consultant on this subject.

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And he told us that he took eight years before he realized that there was a persistent phenomenon

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which needed close study.

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And then he used to go to this Blue Book office occasionally and he was horrified to see how these officials,

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one officer, a couple of sergeants, a couple of secretaries, I believe, investigated these cases.

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99 times out of 100 they never even left their office.

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They just read the report that they'd got and reached for a stamp and clocked it on.

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It was as simple as that.

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The trouble with this, of course, is that witnesses' reputations were not spared in order to debunk it.

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And nobody told Project Blue Book to lay off.

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After the Korean War had finished, they continued to debunk.

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And in fact, they continued to do that right up to last year, maybe in the present day.

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Well, at about that time, Dr. Heile had an article in a journal,

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the Journal of the American Society of Opposition, I believe it was.

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And one thing that he pointed out in this article was that ridicule is not part of the scientific method.

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The public should not be taught what it is.

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Well, as you see, the result of this, with practically every other country in the world following the United States lead,

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is hardly surprising that the case about which I told you at the opening of this talk was never published,

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that never reached the outside world.

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It was published in the local papers in Madagascar.

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You've all been waiting for me to tell you that, where it happened.

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And the city was in Tantanarivo, which is a very vast and thriving and very busy place.

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But it was never heard in metropolitan France or in any other part of the world.

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It happened in August.

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I think it was the first, the second Monday in August of 1954,

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which was after the Robertson report and after the debunking started.

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It was also after the case which I won't trouble you with at the moment,

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the case of Captain James Howard and the BOAC Strato-Crooser.

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But there was another case which very few people know about, again,

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which follows the BOAC case which occurred, I believe, on the 29th of June 1954.

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It followed that about 17 hours after Captain Howard's writing.

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On this occasion, three plainlogues of journalists, photographers,

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cinematographers, scientists, meteorologists,

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and not three plainlogues of them took off from an airfield in Norway

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to fly northwards to photograph and generally examine the eclipse of the sun,

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which was taking place on that afternoon.

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Suddenly, someone shouted out that out there in the sun, they were flying in the shadow.

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There were two rather weird looking objects at some distance away,

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proceeding in what appeared to be a falling, tumbling flight.

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Some were up near the polar regions.

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And they all looked at this, the least phenomena,

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and scratched their heads, they didn't know what on earth this was.

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And then suddenly it began to dawn on them that this was something perhaps

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which they had never thought was true, which they thought were fairy stories,

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and the general Huddard ensued.

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In fact, it was only in the last few minutes or so that someone remembers that they got a whole host of photographic equipment

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on the plane, and someone managed to get the camera up and started rolling.

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And the epic film still exists somewhere, it was shown in this country in, I think,

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late 1954, it did form part of a Pathe newsreel, but they...

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A big one?

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And so I'm not sure on that point.

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You would tell me later, I'm very interested in this.

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We've been trying to discover where it went.

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Anyway, it formed part of a newsreel,

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and it was shown in London by a Swedish trade delegation,

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as a sort of press conference.

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Now then, immediately, a very skeptical gentleman started making rude remarks about it,

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and you've heard the quality of the people who saw this thing and who photographed it.

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This was stated without having the amendment what they were told about the expedition and about the aircraft,

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that these gentlemen had been watching and photographing reflections on the windows of the aircraft.

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They completely ignored what they'd been told about the aircraft and that the windows had been taken out to avoid, certainly, reflections.

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But when they were destroyed on that one, then someone said, well, these must have been seagulls.

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Well, I don't know how big seagulls are in those parts of the world.

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I suspect they must be enormous, if this is so, because it was estimated that the objects were at a distance.

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They had the shadow of the eclipse, and then the night beyond, by which to estimate this,

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they were estimated that they were 17 miles distance, and possibly at about 18,000 feet.

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That one was shot down, but even so, they were unrepentant about this.

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And the third suggestion that was made about this particular thing was that they had been watching a Russian secret weapon.

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It seemed that the gentlemen of the press, so taken up with this, visited the fountain, so into the swing of it,

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preferred that Russians had secret weapons flying willy-nilly in polar regions being witnessed by us to something of a more unconventional nature.

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It was preferable to have something like that, rather than admit that it was possibly an unidentified flying object.

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Well, I can give you now a few examples.

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Blue Book beauties I've labelled on here on my notes.

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I'm indebted. I know NICAP, National Investigation and Commission of Area Phenomena,

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have recorded some of these cases, but I'm indebted to Dr. James MacDonald,

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who sent me a beautiful summary of all these things and a lovely address which he gave to the Society of American Newspaper Editors in April.

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I've chosen one or two of these cases because you may recognise some similarities with things that have been happening recently.

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The first one started in Portage County, a place called Ravenna in Ohio.

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There were two police officers on patrol around, I believe it was an armory or an armament work or a TNT park,

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something which was highly explosive anyway, at 500 hours or 5 hours and net, they were both deputies.

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Suddenly, when they were investigating a car which had been abandoned at the side of the road,

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they observed a luminous object which was coming down the side of a hill over the trees, the woods, towards them.

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It was so bright that it lightened up the pre-dawn lights.

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They immediately sent a radio call that this thing had appeared on the scene and had then hopped off along the road in front of them.

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The deputies were told by their dispatcher at the radio desk to follow them and to keep on its tail.

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The camera car was being sent, with great urgency, to get to shot.

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Well, the police did just what they were told.

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For an hour and a half they pursued this thing, which went in fits and starts and always kept ahead of them, rather like a car that came down in front of donkeys.

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And more police became involved in this pursuit.

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There was a man named Huston from Palestine, Ohio, and he heard all this kaphuffle going on on the radio, so he thought he would go and investigate.

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But he took up station on the side road where it entered the main road along which this procession was later to follow.

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In fact, he saw the luminous object sweeping along above the road ahead of the other policeman who was approaching something like 100 miles an hour.

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So he swung in behind and joined the chase.

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And then they reached a place called Conway, some 70 miles after they'd started, which is just north of Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania, right out of one state and to another,

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and found another officer watching this approaching surface with great amazement.

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In fact, they then saw this object which they had described as approximately 40 feet in diameter, very luminous, with a fin, what appeared to be a fin,

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on the upper reapportion of it, and a cone of diffuse light below. They saw this thing just shoot off straight up into the sky and disappeared.

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Well, the Blue Book decided they would have to investigate this, and the investigation was conducted over a long distance telephone for, I think it lasted four minutes.

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And during this time Major Quinton Miller spoke to Deputy Spar and told him, point blank, that he's been watching the passage of the satellite Echo.

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I don't know which one, two or three, but it was one or two, but he was watching Echo.

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And that he had during the course half of the chase transferred his visual faculties to the appearance of, you know, who, Venus.

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Well, the press were rather agitated by this because the police wouldn't have any of this, though it was suggested that a normal spot, face to face investigation, was carried out.

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And again Major Quinton Miller turned up, and I believe some NiCat people turned up as well with a recorder, and they have it on the record that Quinton Miller tried to pull in both of these comfortable, that they had been watching Echo and Venus.

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And this explanation that these policemen had chased these very reliable observers had chased Venus as a join by two others, and Echo for 70 miles, 90 miles an hour or more, through two states, stands on the record as an observation of Echo and Venus.

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And that is one of the 97.5% which Blue Book has always insisted are explained.

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We go back a few years to another Blue Book case to the first of July 1961.

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When a very experienced pilot, a man named Ernest Stadevich, who was the owner of a local air taxi service, was flying his own plane when he saw and reported two objects in the sky.

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He reported it to the Air Force, not to the press.

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He went to see Blue Book at Dayton, Ohio, and came out when Blue Book announced the public that this experienced airman had misinterpreted a very maligned star, Capella.

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And he said, well, Capella appeared twice.

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The first time it dived at me from a great height and went off in one direction, and while I was watching it, it appeared again under the aircraft that flew off in the other direction.

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But that is another one of the 97.5% explained cases.

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And this project, of course, had been made look a complete idiot in public, and he was very annoyed about it.

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He refused to discuss anything, but he did say that over the radio telephone, Cleveland Air Force had confirmed that they had a radar fix on the second of the object, and it also had a visual sighting of it.

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A couple of days later, they denied this to the press.

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Now, the third case is one which appeals to me very much indeed, and we go back yet another year, to 1960, to the 13th of August.

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Again, police were involved, and have opposition.

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Two police officers named Carson and Scott.

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The name was the trolling of that road south of Red Bluff in California, and at 11 o'clock in the evening, they saw an object which they thought was an aircraft about to crash.

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They tried the radio through for assistance for ambulances, but couldn't get through because their radio seemed to be blocked out by a lot of static.

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And as this thing came nearer, they jumped out of their car in some alarm and prepared to give assistance.

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And then, as the things either stopped and go upwards, and at this stage, they saw that it was cylindrical in shape.

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And it appeared to have a knife at each end, rather like such like sweeping around.

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And at one side, it was only approached within 100 feet of them, and they were so in on it that they drew their pistols.

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Well, then, they and it went up higher out the way, the static appeared to cease.

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They got a call through to one of their dispatchers, and they asked for assistance.

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And approaching, comfortable, to another car, radioed into the spot immediately, didn't see this object, but they saw a glow to confirm in an absolutely dark countryside over the place where these police were.

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Now, then, one of the messages that the constable got back to their dispatcher was, please find out if the Red Bluffs Air Force Base has, in fact, got in on their radar.

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And they got a call back on the phone that, indeed, the Red Bluffs Air Force Base has such a call, has such a sighting on their radar.

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Well, this case got immediate publicity, and Blue Book came straight in on the scene.

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And this case got immediate publicity, and Blue Book came straight in on the scene.

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And the next morning after they, when they came back on duty, these two officers went to the Air Force Base and wanted to interview the radar operators.

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They were not permitted on the base, they were not allowed to speak to them, and it was publicly denied that any radar fix had indeed been updated.

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And Blue Book, I forget who the officer in charge was at the time, announced four days after the sighting that these very experienced policemen had been greatly alarmed by a refraction of lights through a verter.

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And they were able to see the conversion layers of the planet Mars of the stars Aldebellan and Biputus.

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Well, someone smelled a rat, someone who knew something about this smelled a rat.

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And after the astronomer, please, would he confirm that indeed these stars were visible?

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And the astronomer said, no, not one of them is visible, not one of them is in the Californian skies at this time.

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And Blue Book heard, and they then said, sorry, these officers were looking at refraction of the light of Mars, they insisted on Mars and Capella.

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Well, we've got to guess.

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Capella was indeed in the sky at the time, but it was a completely different quarter from the direction in which the officers had been witnessing this strange thing.

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In fact, peace officer Carlton said he'd sure hate to take one of his cases to the court with such flimsy evidence.

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Such a wheat argument.

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And it's noteworthy that our dear old friend Dr. Mendel joined in this particular argument.

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He agrees with Blue Book.

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He said it was a fantastic night of multiple inversions and of humidity.

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And that stood on the record for some six years until Dr. James McDonald, whom I said to whom I'm indebted for reading these papers, said that he had studied radio sonde data for the day.

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And there were no such conditions whatsoever reported.

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Now Dr. James McDonald is lecturer and professor of meteorology at our University of Arizona in Tucson, in the state of the Department of Atmospheric Physics.

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I think we should take what he says as having a great improvement.

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He has access to a vast amount of meteorological data.

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Well as I said before, this was a tragedy.

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Now you've seen how Blue Book went about their debunking.

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Other countries have followed this sheepishly.

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And the whole thing became so ludicrous, particularly in the states.

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That in 1966 there was a press and a public outcry.

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And I don't have to harp on the Michigan case, which was really quite a significance, but, and yet, had quite a deal of significance attached to it.

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But Dr. Heineck there, let's look at a remark which was heard by press reporters at the press conference about the Michigan cases.

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He wondered, and he had every right to wonder, whether indeed the witnesses had been watching the spontaneous combustion of nars gas.

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Well this brought the house down apparently, and it led to the hearing in Washington as a result when Heineck was himself present,

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but at the table with the other representatives of the House of Representatives,

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and actually addressed them at the invitation of the chairmen.

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The outcome of this talk of Heineck's was the setting up of the Colorado University Committee with Air Force Fund.

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First of all to tune to $300,000, and later an extension of time, and a further $200,000.

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The committee set up consists of two physicists I'm told, and the rest of the body are archaeologists.

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Well this has been greeted as a big white hope by people all over the world.

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In the January, February edition of the review, I expressed a measure of doubts, which I hope most of you saw.

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If you didn't, I'll read it to you now.

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Speaking about the Colorado University Committee.

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On the surface this is all very encouraging, nevertheless there's one small worry that needs to be recorded.

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Has the United States Air Force, on finding itself fault into a corner, by public pressure and by ridicule of two fatal explanations of UFO reports,

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undertaken the investigation merely to re-establish its image and to play for time by side stepping of awkward situations.

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We like to think that this is not the case, but the worry lingers at the back of our minds, thanks to past dealings with officials.

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We felt that the best we could hope for from the Condon Committee was that they would examine material from all over the world,

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after all they had a lot of money, they could get material from all over the world, they are backed by the Library of Congress,

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who are finding everything they can, digesting it and sending it to them.

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We hoped for at least a statement in their report that there would be a very real case to examine.

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No one in their right senses would expect them to solve the mystery.

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It would have been a stroke of great fortune if they could have done it, but we didn't expect this.

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But now I'm afraid, for the last few months in fact, I've been hearing very disturbing rumors from Colorado,

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or about the Colorado people, people have been telling me things, these people I trust implicitly, names of the very well known here,

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that even some have suggested that the whole thing is a faker.

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Indeed, something is indeed to gain time, to make a get this awful problem off their backs, and then sink it for good law.

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Well, I do not know the truth of this. I do know that my friends in France are very gloomy about it, and are expecting the worst.

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And the authorities of American told me recently that Dr. Condon is indeed stumped.

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Well, we thought he would be.

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We know that. He's even stated that he's worried because he doesn't have his investigators on the spot when cases occurred,

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although we never expected him to. No one knows where these things are going to turn up.

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It's like watching for Christmas, saying, looking forward.

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He wants new ideas. There's even been a suggestion that he would like to hear some ideas from us.

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Well, all he needs to do in that case is to read the flyers' author review. He's had every copy sent to him that's available.

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I do know one thing that one of his committee members showed an alarming ignorance of the whole problem.

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That very broken away on about 70 United States cases only.

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And that when other people, in fact, somebody from France spoke to this same member of the committee,

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he was horrified to hear who said that he thought the Socorro landing case was unique,

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that he's never heard of anything happening in America.

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Well, I don't know what game they're playing, whether this is true or what,

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but we certainly can't get a true evaluation of the problem if they just based it on Socorro and one or two American cases.

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So, frankly, I'm a little bit worried about the common business.

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It seems that we'll be indeed very lucky to get a statement that this subject deserves detailed, long-term investigation.

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And in the end, as I've already suggested in the latest issue of the review,

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if we have to stand alone, we'll have to stand alone and fight ourselves.

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Well, that is how you see one aspect of the future everybody looks for, Colorado, to brew something.

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And I rather here, I don't say for sure, I may stand absolutely condemned by this,

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but I fear that it's going to be a damp squint.

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Well, I believe you want me to say something about recent cases.

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Quite frankly, I'm a bit of a disadvantage here because we haven't really had time to study those little flap-a-thousand in this country.

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I've seen it of course like you have, and we've had one or two friends of ours investigate a case or two.

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But when I was telling you about the revenge that police chased, you probably remember the similar incident,

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which although it didn't come out of the top of the mountain ground, went on for quite a few miles in this country recently, at Oakhampton, from the Oakhampton.

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Now, this was suggested that these police were chasing out their old friend Venus.

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Now, a very reliable colleague of mine has interviewed these two police officers in some detail,

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and he tells me that they are convinced and that he feels that he must endorse their conviction that they were not following Venus.

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We've also heard about cross-shaped things that have been appearing in the sky formation,

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the Ministry of Defense did not claim to know anything about any cross-shaped formation.

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Two days later, a clergyman who I believe has been involved in the Fair of the War Minister said,

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yes, he knows what this is, this is an American flight refueling officer.

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And perhaps the Ministry of Defense there said, yes, I suppose it must be.

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Until shortly afterwards, the Americans announced that, yes, they had had flight refueling operations that day.

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And they said, yes, they had.

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Until shortly afterwards, the Americans announced that, yes, they had had flight refueling operations that day.

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Until shortly afterwards, the Americans announced that, yes, they had had flight refueling operations that day over Scotland, not Southwich.

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The other day, a very interesting case was telephoned, it seems to be details of this case,

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was telephoned to me by one of my readers who lives in Winchester.

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This gentleman's side said, I didn't know at the time, he sounded an entirely reliable person,

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the case was far too hot for me to handle, so I passed it over to my friend Ronald Bedford, who is the scientific official son,

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and let him have a go because this needed an immediate go at the Ministry of Defense.

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This chap in Winchester is a lecturer in electronics at Southampton University, as Sergeant Gumson said.

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And he was sitting at the table about just after two o'clock, just for this lunch, he had his family, including his son, age 13,

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when they were practically blasted out of their seats by a tremendous roar of jet aircraft.

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Now the son is a very enthusiastic air and modeler, and he rushed immediately to the window,

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or out through the window, the French window, and saw quickly two Royal Air Force Nightingale aircraft flying quite low,

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possibly, I don't know exactly how low, but possibly the order of a thousand seats, with their re-heat on, over an inhabitant's fitness.

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And they were chasing what the boy described, he described it to me over the telephone, as an opaque black looking mushroom shaped object,

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which was leaving these two lightings, which must have been going somewhere in the order of 1300 miles an hour,

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leaving them slowly behind. In fact the object did a half right turn, without appearing to bake,

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and then again without appearing to have changed aspect at all, to go vertically up and practically into the clouds,

400
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with the lightings struggling behind it.

401
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Well, the Ministry of Defense has replied to that, that they own no lightings in that area.

402
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Well, their hint too from them was that there are no lightings stationed around there.

403
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So we've discovered since that there are two stations, most of the lightings are indeed in the eastern part of the country.

404
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But there are two stations where there are lightings, and they are within a few minutes flying down the Winchester, one of them is Boscombe down with us.

405
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Now, the mission of Boscombe down reminds me that the subject is, I think, growing more and more respectable.

406
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I was very surprised and gratified two months ago to receive an indication from the Royal Aeronautical Society branch at Boscombe down,

407
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the Royal Air Force, weapons and aircraft experimental station, to lecture them on flying sources, and that's what they called them.

408
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It was an extremely interesting lecture when it took place on the 10th of October, and they expected some 50 people to turn up to this first meeting, this season.

409
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I actually suggested to the squadron leaders of the rain set that there is probably need a few more consistent chairs, and a T before the talk, he told me, well, yes, I put up 80.

410
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Well, we're no more further with the station superintendent and the weapons group captain and the couple of others to the lecture hall.

411
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The squadron leader came running out and said, please gentlemen, don't go in yet, there's a bit of reorganization going on. We've got 130 or 140 turns up.

412
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So that is something that has played like that.

413
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I wish, quite frankly, that this Winchester affair had occurred before my talk at Boscombe down. We might have discovered something.

414
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One of the questions which was asked me at Boscombe down by one of the guests, a clergyman again, was, in all your talk, which I found very interesting,

415
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you have not made one mention to all the incredible things that are going on not so very far away from here at Warmington.

416
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Now, I had to tell him, as I also told a very lively and interested audience at the Imperial College of Science London recently,

417
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I see some of my friends smiling in the presence, but indeed some very strange things have been going on at Warmington.

418
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So strange that quite frankly, we don't know what is going on really.

419
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Lots of people are endangering themselves, putting themselves in very severe danger of catching pneumonia, standing on top of windy hills.

420
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As I said before, waiting for Christmas.

421
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There was a very interesting phenomenon. We told Dr. Heilich about it when we met him.

422
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In the early days at Warminister, when a noise was heard in many places, and Heilich immediately said, ah, standardized phenomena, and indeed it does sound like it.

423
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And following that, a rather remarkable property was made in the local newspaper by a man named Holtz, that following the little examination he had made of noise situations, points where noises had occurred,

424
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that he forecasted some strange way by drawing straight lines and intersections, and I don't know, I can't put any validity to this,

425
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but he said that there would be a very strange, he has been prophesied, a very strange, luminous apparition over or near Warminister.

426
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Now this appeared in the Warminister Journal, and I believe the date of disappearance was the 4th of June 1965.

427
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On the night before the evening of the 3rd of June 1965, a clergyman, a clergyman who was getting very much in on this business,

428
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a clergyman in his family, three sons, one of whom had a portable telescope, indeed witnessed a very strange aerial phenomenon hanging over a haterspray in the south of Warminister.

429
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And this thing was also reported by 30 or 30 people in other parts of the district.

430
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The thing was in sight, it was cylindrical, blowing, standing up on end, hovering over the place at a considerable height, for something like half an hour before it suddenly took off upward, took off upward, and became just the light source of indisputable.

431
00:53:48,000 --> 00:54:03,000
Now then there has been, I believe, one or two other surprising reports from Warminister, but otherwise it does rather occur to me that everybody is being taken in by people,

432
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who are watching satellites, or lightning, and other things, and trying to keep the pot for any all the time for local interest.

433
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I haven't much faith in many things that come from Warminister.

434
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Well, what can we do in the future? Well, the first thing is to just keep calm all the time.

435
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I suggest that a lot of interest, and maybe some possible solution, can be discovered to study landing cases.

436
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I haven't actually studied landing cases this afternoon, but they are our particular interest.

437
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We're beginning to discover similarities in creatures reported many parts of the world.

438
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And I suggest too that people follow the science also review for what I trust is a seriously sober presentation of this business.

439
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If we must go, I'm only repeating something I said two or three issues ago, if we must go out from Windy Hills, then map up well and do it discreetly.

440
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,000
Don't tell the press before you go because very good and you'll make charlots obviously do.

441
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You must take that most careful with them. They're not very careful when they report what you say to them.

442
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Another suggestion is that it might be a good idea to set up detector networks.

443
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These magnetic flux detectors do sometimes go off.

444
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There's a possibility that someone with a loaded camera nearby might be able to spot something to take a photograph.

445
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But again, discretion is needed. Let's keep it to ourselves, study the things, and then when we've got something which we think is good or solid, then we can announce it.

446
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We should also take very great care with reports, particularly good reports, that we hear in the press.

447
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My friend Peter Haythorne's way sets a very good example here, which is in very careful investigation of cases.

448
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:06,000
We shouldn't put needing questions to witnesses, shouldn't put the ideas in their head. We should be very careful with them.

449
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:17,000
The only way to dig out the details, especially when you think possibly an explanation by an official body like Mr. Defense may be phony.

450
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It does work. We've done it ourselves recently. We've got them to retract over the air refueling thing.

451
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:32,000
And also, someone sticking to their guns has all observed this person so to say in fact that Venus happens in Venus.

452
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,000
And in the meantime, try certain people that there was something under cloud level which wasn't Venus.

453
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Indeed, if it had been under cloud level, I would not suggest that the Russians had been sadly misinformed and waited a lot of money recently.

454
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So, as I'll always try to keep off the hilltops, when you're up there, you're very easy targets on the skyline. Do remember that.

455
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Thank you very much ladies and gentlemen.

456
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Thank you.